Chapter 2

Coming Out of Chaos

Coming Out of Chaos marks the second chapter of Coming Out of Chaos: A Vancouver Dance Story. It focuses on the development and creation of Coming Out of Chaos and what came afterwards. Memories and anecdotes from rehearsals, performances, and tours shared in the oral history interviews date back to late 1981, when rehearsals first began. The dissolution of Terminal City Dance Research followed shortly after the production of Coming Out of Chaos, but this also gave way to the formation of Karen Jamieson Dance Company, Special Delivery Moving Theatre (now Vancouver Moving Theatre), and EDAM (Experimental Dance And Music) as generative creative forces in Vancouver.

Coming Out of Chaos Performance. [Front] Savannah Walling. [Back - L-R] Jennifer Mascall, Ahmed Hassan, Lola Ryan, Peter Bingham, and Lola MacLaughlin. 1982. Photo by Chris Randle. Costumes by Susan Berganzi. Karen Jamieson Dance Archives.


The Idea

The time in Karen Jamieson’s life leading up to the conception of Coming Out of Chaos was defined by collective ownership and activity. She recalls: “At that point in my life, every single aspect of my life was collectivized; I was in a collective daycare, and I owned a house collectively in Vancouver, owned a piece of property up the coast collectively… and then here was this. It was like I couldn’t get away from it.” This, of course, was the piece that she was about to begin choreographing [Coming Out of Chaos], which brought together a number of her closest contemporaries in a move to strike out on her own [away from Terminal City Dance], and break free from the collective mold.

Despite being given the opportunity through a commission from Grant Strate, the newly appointed Director for the Centre for the Arts at Simon Fraser University, to commission dancers and choreograph her own piece, she found herself once more a part of a collective endeavour – a fact which she acknowledges was both the result of the dance scene in Vancouver at the time, and her own subconscious processes. The irony of this newfound freedom being highly collaborative did not deter Jamieson, who, nonetheless, embraced the opportunity as a chance to develop her creative voice and vision, and so the creation of Coming Out of Chaos began.

Photo of Karen Jamieson by Jerry Davidson. Karen Jamieson Dance Archives.

 

The Rehearsals

Savannah Walling tells the story of finding the space that would be known as Terminal City Dance Studio:

“One day, Terry [Hunter] was driving on Carrall Street in Chinatown, he looked up and saw a sign saying “For Lease.” It only cost $120 a month for the entire floor: a space large enough for Terry and I to live in the back and for TCD to rehearse in the front. Affordable for us if we were prepared to put in the labor to convert it into a dance studio. The building had formerly been a residential dormitory with tiny rooms for Chinese workers and new-comers. We took down the walls in half of the second floor to open up space for dancing, then brought in big sanding machines to create a floor that we would love to spend time on. There was a noisy old heater hanging from the ceiling, and big windows at the front of the building. “

The rehearsals for Coming Out of Chaos were held at the Terminal City Dance Studio located on the second floor of the Lim Sai Hor Kow Mock Association building at 531 Carrall Street in Vancouver’s Chinatown in the Downtown Eastside. Memories of this time and space are characterized by the sounds of the Mahjong parlour downstairs, the large arched windows with light streaming through, and the challenge of fitting in rehearsals amongst other projects and commitments. 

Coming Out of Chaos rehearsal led by Karen Jamieson at Terminal City Dance Studio, 531 Carrall Street with [L-R] Lola Ryan, Ahmed Hassan, Karen Jamieson, Savannah Walling, and Lola MacLaughlin. 1981-1982. Photographer unknown. Terry Hunter and Savannah Walling’s Terminal City Dance Collection.

 
 

Terminal City Dance Studio at 531 Carrall Street, 2nd Floor of the Lim Sai Hor Kow Mock Association. 1978-1984. Photographer unknown. Terry Hunter and Savannah Walling’s Terminal City Dance Collection.

 

Of the space, Jennifer Mascall reminisces: “the character in that Terminal City Studio was incredible, creaky, the balcony, the Mahjong parlour below, the many tiny little rooms…” While Lola Ryan remembers, “It was upstairs. It was a bit smelly, cockroaches, but that’s where Savannah and Terry lived. I mean, they lived in the back of that place. That was their home.” 

Karen Jamieson recalls the rehearsal process being lengthy, “Grant Strate had trouble actually getting the money after sort of commissioning it... It went on for quite a while. We bashed heads and tried to get somewhere and this mess of a piece slowly emerged.” The sheer amount of artistic production taking place at the time also contributed to this impression of suspended time, confusion, and chaos, as Savannah Walling relates of the moment: “I was living in the midst of semi-controlled chaos. Living in the middle of a tornado of creative projects and emotions, bits and pieces flying everywhere. I really wondered how long we rehearsed. Then read a review that said we rehearsed eight weeks. So, I guess that’s what we did!” 

For Peter Bingham, a memorable aspect was the rehearsal schedule: “I remember ballet class at eight-thirty in the morning, which was bizarre for me… I was used to dancing from four or five in the afternoon, so it didn’t make sense to me to dance in the morning. The body wasn’t ready for it.” Jennifer Mascall recalls a scheduling conflict as well, as she was working on choreographing a piece of her own in Toronto when Karen called her up and asked, “Could you change the time to come back?” 

Barbara Bourget was originally cast in Jennifer Mascall’s role but recalls, “I think I left after two weeks,” citing motherhood and lack of money as the reasons she could not continue to participate. Although her involvement in the work was short-lived, Barbara Bourget shares her memories of the early stages of creation as follows:

“I remember distinctly being in rehearsals for two weeks, and I remember the kitchen with Lola Ryan giving me gears about what I was eating, and I do remember we did a lot of repetition in terms of improvisation, and then Karen [Jamieson] would stop and then go back, and you know, can you do it this way? Blah, blah, blah. So we did a lot of that. I remember Ahmed [Hassan]. He's hard to forget. I do remember Lola [MacLaughlin], ‘cause losing those two people was very hard.”

Despite conflicting schedules, emotions, and approaches, the work went ahead and Jennifer Mascall even remembers it being easeful: “I have no memory of it being chaotic. It was fun. You’d go and hang out with these people and you’d do what you could because it was Karen’s piece. She was gonna take care of us. We just had to be good [laughs]. There was no pressure anywhere.”

For many others, however, the experience of the piece's creation was more chaotic.

 

The Chaos

“I think Chaos confused her as much as it did us.” - Peter Bingham

“I already had an overload of chaos in my life and didn’t need more. That’s what I remember – the chaos.” - Savannah Walling

The title Coming Out of Chaos was granted an almost prophetic quality as the piece began to take shape. Dancers remember experiences of chaos, experimentation, conflict, and eventually emergence into new forms and new professional and creative directions. 

Lola Ryan remarks that the group must have seemed like “enfants terribles. We just wanted to do our own thing…. So, for Karen, I guess it was probably like herding cats to keep us all together.” And it was not only movement, but personalities that Jamieson needed to find a way to integrate. The need for cooperation among the dancers proved essential, but often fraught. 

“That was one of the problems with that piece, is that Karen picked a bunch of artists,” says Peter Bingham. “It would have been a totally different piece if she had hired half a dozen contemporary dancers, she would have had more consistency.” 

On both creative and personal levels, the piece was taxing for many. Savannah Walling conveys how, on the one hand, Jamieson “…invited the dancers to improvise, to contribute favourite songs for consideration, movement elements,” but how, on the other hand, “there wasn’t space to contribute as a choreographer or story creator – partly because it was such a large group. So I felt frustration, not being able to give personal voice within the choreography or find room for that.” 

These frustrations were tempered by an awareness that the piece was Jamieson’s to coax and shape as she saw fit, as Savannah Walling goes on to iterate, “At the same time, I understood that the purpose of this process was to support Karen’s journey towards her fully realized choreographic voice.” For Jennifer Mascall this chaotic open-endedness was “luxurious,” a “holiday,” wherein the role of the dancer was only to help out and do what they could to oblige the choreographic vision. The mixed experience of gratitude, excitement, enjoyment, and angst were all part of the cyclonic creation of Chaos that occurred.


Differing Approaches

The coming together of so many skilled, yet varied, artists made for a fruitful collaboration, while at the same time tensions proliferated due to differing approaches, opinions, and styles. One of the central points of dissonance that arose was around the concept of improvisation versus formalization. Many of those with strong backgrounds in improvisation were approaching the unfamiliar territory of formalized choreography and its many restraints and constraints, some for the first time. Counting, repetition, and seeking legitimization through these – at times, limiting – practices were contentious topics, as revealed by the interview clips below:


The Costumes

“Susan just came into the studio and spent a fair amount of time there. She was very much trying to get each person's idiosyncratic, energy, shape…. I trusted her to pick up what was needed and create a costume.” - Karen Jamieson

Susan Berganzi’s costumes for Coming Out of Chaos “evolved out of budget and lack of budget.” Karen Jamieson’s red silk costume was the first to be made and after the purchase of that fabric, “the budget sort of died.” Savannah Walling’s peach “parachute” outfit was made from a silk bedspread, and from there, the costumes were crafted from what Berganzi calls “unidentified fabric,” usually a polyester blend.

Lola Ryan and Peter Bingham’s costumes were simply made from Army & Navy shirts sewn together, while Jennifer Mascall and Lola MacLaughlin’s costumes were more complex, with a guiding rope sewn inside to ensure one could find their way in and out!

Susan Berganzi recounts how Lola MacLaughlin asked to be put in a black, transparent dress, but she refused and instead put her in black pants and covered her costume with bells. This was in response to a request made by Ahmed Hassan – as she fondly recalls Ahmed wanting to pick up Lola MacLaughlin and “shake her” in the performance like an embodied instrument.

Lola Ryan and Peter Bingham were made to match in yellow and green, “the gardeners,” says Susan Berganzi, “the worker bees.” Both of the dancers independently reminisced on their collaborative dynamism at that time, while Berganzi remembered how well they got along, “they were always funny with each other, and very cooperative.”

Ahmed Hassan was dressed all in white because Berganzi felt, “he was a gentle spirit. He was in white because he needed protection, to me, that was because he was alone, and he was there to carry the exploration. I thought he was like the space between each of the moments.” These reflections and more on Ahmed Hassan are shared by Berganzi below:

Like all other parts of the piece’s creation, the costumes presented some tension and mixed emotions. Jennifer Mascall recalls, “Some people liked their costumes, some people didn't like their costumes.” Of her own she says, “Mine had holes in it… I thought I liked it very much. I remember falling through one of the holes in the costume on one of the moves that I did.” 

The costumes were perfectly suited to the artistic fusion that defined the piece, as Jennifer Mascall states, “Susan is a remarkable artist, so she brings her art and she does it with the fabric. It brought energy to the piece because she came as an artist, with her own point of view. Her costumes caused excitement.”


Touring

From the intense to the banal, participants shared several key memories of touring Coming Out of Chaos. Lola Ryan remembers putting her fist through a wall, which Peter Bingham comments, “added to the reputation.” Karen Jamieson recalls learning Jennifer Mascall’s part under immense time pressure in Québec City because of a knee injury. Jennifer Mascall thinks back to making treats for the tour: “I made some Nanaimo Bars and brought them because I’d never heard of them before I got to the West Coast.” Another food-related memory involves Lola Ryan telling Barbara Bourget that she needed to eat more than just crackers for lunch during rehearsals.

The tour spanned April 26 to May 17, 1982 and travelled from British Columbia to Québec to Ontario.

For full tour dates and schedule see Jennifer Mascall’s Coming Out of Chaos tour book here.

The location of the performance below is not known for certain, but it is presumed to be the Harbourfront National Arts Centre in Toronto, ON, near the end of the national tour in 1982.


The Music

Composed by Ahmed Hassan and Elyra Campbell, with vocals and percussion by Ahmed Hassan, the original music for Coming Out of Chaos was a combination of various instruments, vocalizations, text, breathe, and drumming. Ahmed Hassan’s contributions are remembered fondly by the other artists and in the audio clip below, alongside a sample of his distinctive and powerful rapid throat singing.

Elyra Campbell was a singer, composer, and classical and jazz musician, with a background in modern dance, and an emphasis on exploration of extended vocal techniques and improvisation. She was also a “lovely” housemate of Savannah Walling and Terry Hunter’s when they lived in a warehouse at 260 Raymur Street – a “live-work space” that served as a rehearsal studio for Terminal City Dance before moving to 531 Carrall Street. Therefore, collaborations with Elyra Campbell and Ahmed Hassan preceded Coming Out of Chaos, and included pieces for TCD, such as Banana Split.

Of Elyra Campbell and this time period, Savannah Walling remembers: “We were friends for a long time and I thought it would be fun to collaborate. We came up with Banana Split (1982) piece – a sung piece for which she composed a score of music and vocalizations specially tailored for myself and Ahmed [Hassan]. Rehearsing Banana Split might have been when Karen [Jamieson] and Elyra [Campbell] connected.”

 
 

A page of the original sheet music for Coming Out of Chaos. Karen Jamieson Dance Archives.

 

Full Coming Out of Chaos sheet music can be found here.


Dispersing

While Coming Out of Chaos was underway, changes were simultaneously occurring in other dance organizations within Vancouver. 

Savannah Walling outlines the evolution of Terminal City Dance during this time:

“In February 1982, the company assumed a new name, TCDR Centre, and a new organizing structure. The new organizing structure was an umbrella organization with three main areas of activity: a program of Exchange Performances, initiated and curated by myself in the beginning and later by Barbara Clausen, I believe; a dance company directed by Karen; and dance collaborations by Terry Hunter and myself. We also assumed new roles: Karen [Jamieson] as Artistic Director and Terry [Hunter] and myself as Associate Directors. The Performance Exchanges started in 1981 and brought together choreographers and artists from many disciplines to meet and exchange ideas through informal studio-performances. This was also an opportunity for work-in-process presentations of new work at Terminal City Dance including Coming Out of Chaos.

Terminal City Dance Research Coming Out of Chaos programme, 1982. Savannah Walling Archives.

Terminal City Dance Research Coming Out of Chaos programme, 1982. Savannah Walling Archives.

On September 1, 1983, Karen, Terry and I resigned from Terminal City Dance. We went on to form two separate and independent performing and touring companies. Karen formed the Karen Jamieson Dance Company. Terry and I formed Special Delivery Dance / Music / Theatre, today called Vancouver Moving Theatre. In November 1983, the Board of Directors of TCD moved to recognize Karen, Terry, and myself as founding members of TCDR Centre.”

And the story of TCDR Centre does not end there, as the succeeding chapters will reveal. 

The other members of Coming Out of Chaos all went on to major pursuits as well. EDAM (Experimental Dance and Music) was, in some ways, borne out of the chaos and the coming together of all of these individuals in a single place in time, as discussed in the audio clips that follow:

 
 

Photo by Chris Randle of EDAM (Experimental Dance and Music), [L-R] Peter Bingham, Barbara Bourget, Ahmed Hassan, Jay Hirabayashi, Lola MacLaughlin, Lola Ryan, Jennifer Mascall. 1983.

 

The phenomenon that led to this generative dispersal is described by Savannah Walling as follows:

“Whatever that chaos was, coming out of chaos, descending into chaos… whatever it was, it gave everyone involved – including Karen – something tangible to push against. Everyone involved pushed off into new directions… or built into a vortex that reversed its spin to whip into a multitude of directions, profoundly influencing art that has been created, and continues to be created in the city. They all joined or formed organizations, many of them enduring until today. I think that's hugely significant when you're looking at the history of dance in this city.”

 

Chapter Two: Coming Out of Chaos is written by Charlotte Leonard, and edited by Emma Metcalfe Hurst.

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